Monday, November 28, 2005

The truth in black, red & blue

My Uncle Richard sent this to me. It's an eye-opener:

Richard Gephardt: Air National Guard, 1965-71
David Bonior: Staff Sgt., Air Force 1968-72
Tom Daschle: 1st Lt., Air Force SAC 1969-72
Al Gore: enlisted Aug. 1969; sent to Vietnam Jan. 1971 as an army journalist in 20th Engineer Brigade
Bob Kerrey: Lt. j.g. Navy 1966-69; Medal of Honor, Vietnam
Daniel Inouye: Army 1943-47; Medal of Honor, WWII
John Kerry: Lt., Navy 1966-70; Silver Star, Bronze Star with Combat V, Purple Hearts
Charles Rangel: Staff Sgt., Army 1948-52; Bronze Star, Korea
Max Cleland: Captain, Army 1965-68; Silver Star & Bronze Star, Vietnam. Paraplegic from war injuries. Served in Congress
Ted Kennedy: Army, 1951-53
Tom Harkin: Lt., Navy, 1962-67; Naval Reserve, 1968-74
Jack Reed: Army Ranger, 1971-1979; Captain, Army Reserve 1979-91.
Fritz Hollings: Army officer in WWII; Bronze Star and seven campaign ribbons
Leonard Boswell: Lt. Col., Army 1956-76; Vietnam, DFCs, Bronze Stars,and Soldier's Medal
Pete Peterson: Air Force Captain, POW. Purple Heart, Silver Star and Legion of Merit
Mike Thompson: Staff sergeant, 173rd Airborne, Purple Heart
Bill McBride: Candidate for Fla. Governor. Marine in Vietnam; Bronze Star with Combat V.
Gray Davis: Army Captain in Vietnam, Bronze Star
Pete Stark: Air Force 1955-57
Chuck Robb: Vietnam
Howell Heflin: Silver Star
George McGovern: Silver Star & DFC during WWII
Bill Clinton: Did not serve. Student deferments. Entered draft but received #311
Jimmy Carter: Seven years in the Navy.
Walter Mondale: Army 1951-1953
John Glenn: WWII and Korea; six DFCs and AirMedal with 18 Clusters
Tom Lantos: Served in Hungarian underground in WWII. Saved by Raoul Wallenberg.

Republicans -- and these are the guys sending people to war:
Dick Cheney: did not serve. Several deferments, the last by marriage.
Dennis Hastert: did not serve
Tom Delay: did not serve
Roy Blunt: did not serve
Bill Frist: did not serve
Mitch McConnell: did not serve
Rick Santorum: did not serve
Trent Lott: did not serve
John Ashcroft: did not serve. Seven deferments to teach business
Jeb Bush: did not serve
Karl Rove: did not serve.
Saxby Chambliss: did not serve. "Bad knee." (The man who attacked Max Cleland's patriotism.)
Paul Wolfowitz: did not serve
Vin Weber: did not serve
Richard Perle: did not serve
Douglas Feith: did not serve
Eliot Abrams: did not serve
Richard Shelby: did not serve
Jon Kyl: did not serve
Tim Hutchison: did not serve
Christopher Cox: did not serve
Newt Gingrich: did not serve
Don Rumsfeld: served in Navy (1954-57) as flight instructor
George W. Bush: failed to complete his six-year National Guard; got assigned to Alabama so he could campaign for family friend running for U.S. Senate; failed to show up for required medical exam, disappeared from duty.
Ronald Reagan: due to poor eyesight, served in a non- combat role making movies
Bob Dornan: Consciously enlisted after fighting was over in Korea
Phil Gramm: did not serve
John McCain: Vietnam POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross
Dana Rohrabacher: did not serve
John M. McHugh: did not serve
JC Watts: did not serve
Jack Kemp: did not serve. "Knee problem, " although continued in NFL for 8 years as quarterback
Dan Quayle: Journalism unit of the Indiana National Guard
Rudy Giuliani: did not serve
George Pataki: did not serve
Spencer Abraham: did not serve
John Engler: did not serve
Lindsey Graham: National Guard lawyer
Arnold Schwarzenegger: AWOL from Austrian army base

Pundits & Preachers
Sean Hannity: did not serve
Rush Limbaugh: did not serve (4-F with a 'pilonidal cyst.')
Bill O'Reilly: did not serve
Michael Savage: did not serve
George Will: did not serve
Chris Matthews: did not serve
Paul Gigot: did not serve
Bill Bennett: did not serve
Pat Buchanan: did not serve
John Wayne: did not serve
Bill Kristol: did not serve
Kenneth Starr: did not serve
Antonin Scalia: did not serve
Clarence Thomas: did not serve
Ralph Reed: did not serve
Michael Medved: did not serve
Charlie Daniels: did not serve
Ted Nugent: did not serve. (He only shoots at things that don't shoot back.)

Please keep this information circulating
--Illinois State Sen. Howard W. Carroll


Jim Marquis said...

I've seen it before but I still get a charge out of it.

Sheryl said...

I'll forward it to my dad. He'd likes to agitate his republican friends with things like this. :-)

Snave said...

They like to come back at this one with statements like "Who says you can't make policy decisions if you never served in the military?" and "How many of the Democrats you listed voted in favor of invading Iraq?" I don't think Rangel did, anyway... and until I saw this version of these lists, I didn't know he served honorably during a time of war.

I think people who have military experience may have better insights into how the military operates, and some of them may have seen combat. People who know firsthand the horrors of war may well be more equipped than the non-servers to explain why we shouldn't send our troops into harm's way unless there is a damned good reason. Some of them may have seen their fellow men die on battlefields.

The decisions of those with military service might end up being based more on experience than on politics when it comes to how to use the military. Whereas the pundit non-server types might tend to view our military as a tool with which to gain political advantages in the world, I think the ones who served may be more likely to view the military's purpose as that of defending our nation rather than a collection of human lives that are disposable in pursuit of some kind of vision of empire. The GOP wants to play Risk, the lefties want to see the military used to protect our country. Big difference, and it becomes even more obvious when looking at the lists you provided.

At least that's what I think... I've always thought the purpose of our military was to protect the USA.

And aside from Rumsfeld and McCain, I don't think the GOP has very much going for it in this area. This is one reason I think they may run McCain in 2008. "John McCain: Vietnam POW, Silver Star, Bronze Star, Legion of Merit, Purple Heart and Distinguished Flying Cross". And he supports the Iraq war? That alone is all the proof I need that the man is crazy, too much so to be our next president.

Damien said...

Heck its actually the first time that I've seen the complete list like this in one place. I'll just grab on to one of the comments Snaveroo made, basically folk who have seen combat are more likely to have insight into it, and further are less likely to commit troops to ill conceived wars.

I guess it's widely know that George senior had deliborated long and hard over the first Gulf war, and had asked all the right questions, even further he realized the true human cost of war for both sides (not that I'm blowing George Snrs trumpet). Guess the adage 'like father like son' does not apply here.

Lizzy said...

I have a lot of respect for John McCain - it's hard not to. But, when he cozied up to Bush, he lost me.

As far as Bush Sr goes, it reminds me of my refrigerator magnet. It shows a pic of Dubya with the caption "Daddy's little war criminal."

halcyon67 said...

This list has been on for over three years. The list on has more though.

Damien said...

You know I think alot of people in the
GOP started looking sideways at their own party when rumors that McCains stint in the Hanoi hilton had left him unfit for Presidential office started circulating from out of the Dubya camp.

Snave said...

Duckin' Fubya...